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Newcastle Investment Dividend Ratio

I’m not much of a dividend investor.  Maybe when I get older I will covet the security of knowing I’m getting 3-4% back from the company every year.  But not now.  Right now that 3-4% doesn’t seem like a lot to me.  I’m certainly not going to be changing my lifestyle any time soon on a 3-4% return.  I’m trying to build capital and to do that I need to have a few home runs, not a bunch of sacrifice flies.  I certainly don’t put in as much work as I do so I can make a couple more points than the rest of the mutal fund / index fund / ETF crowd.  Dividends don’t normally excite me.

When a dividend gets to 10%. like Newcastle’s is, then it starts to pique my interest.  But just barely.   10% still doesn’t cut it.  If the best I can do is 10%, than I still think I should quit and hire an adviser.  That’s my thinking anyways.

So when I bought Newcastle, it was with the understanding that the dividend was a nice feature, but not the reason to buy the company.  The reason to buy the company is because I think the price of the shares are going to go up.

Of course…. Newcastle is a REIT the main driver of the share price is the dividend.  So the two are intertwined and therefore I need to understand the relationship.

As the dividend goes, so goes the stock price

I went back through the last 6 years of Newcastle’s 10-K’s and came up with the following graph that helps illustrate how closely the dividend and stock price are linked.

Here is what I found:

The stock price is clearly linked to the dividend.  In most cases (as you would expect) the stock price leads the dividend.

The stock price usually falls within a broad range of 8x to 12x the dividend.  It depends if times are good or if times are bad.  Right now, times are improving, so perhaps a move to 12x is not out of the question.

I haven’t run the numbers in full on the second MSR deal that Newcastle announced.  Until I do I won’t be able to say what I think the dividend will eventually be.  But to ballpark, based on a sustainable cash flow of 10 cents per share from the first dividend, and given that the second deal is roughly 4x larger than the first, I think that a sustainable dividend in the 80-90 cent range is not unreasonable.  Tacking on a 10x to 12x multiple and we get a share price range of somewhere between $8 and $11.

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  1. This morning Newcastle raised the dividend to 20 cents:
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/newcastle-increases-first-quarter-common-230900218.html

    March 15, 2012
  2. Matt S #

    What do you think of the residential spin off? discussed here: http://seekingalpha.com/article/1199791-8-dividend-payer-newcastle-investment-s-coming-spin-off-may-unlock-value
    Do you think NCT is a buy here, or maybe buy the spin off when it comes off?

    February 18, 2013
    • I don’t know if its a buy here but I do know that some smart people have been buying so that tells me something. I am personally waiting until after the spin to do anything. At that point I’ll have to look at the valuations of the two companies but I will be more inclined to hold and add to the residential spin.

      February 22, 2013
  3. Anonymous #

    LSigurd, great blog! I’ve done some work around NCT as well. People might be too-bulled up on the multiples-rerating thesis — I think the shares are pretty fairly valued now. If one still likes the 7% dividend then yes, but I see 50%+ upside pretty shaky.

    http://oddlyrelevant.blogspot.com/2014/01/nct-riskreward-is-balanced-dont-fall.html

    January 12, 2014
    • This is a pretty old post, before they spun out NRZ. I don’t think I’d be suggesting the $11 higher end any more. I think there might be upside depending on how you want to value the senior living peers going forward. I like the New Media idea but there doesn’t seem to be any sense getting in for that until after the spin.

      January 14, 2014

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